Genealogy - KNIGHTs from Continental Europe to England/Ireland, to Philadelphia (PA), to France - Nov. 2017

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Ancestors of Ellen [2857]
Ellen [2857]
(Abt 1241-After 1316)

 

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Geoffrey III DE LUCY [2856]

Ellen [2857]

  • Born: Abt 1241, , , England
  • Marriage: Geoffrey III DE LUCY [2856]
  • Died: After 1316, , , England

bullet   Another name for Ellen was Elena.

bullet  General Notes:

Source <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rickmansworthherts/webpage10.htm>:
"25. GEOFFREY6 DE LUCY (GEOFFREY5, GEOFFREY4, GODFREY3, RICHARD2, ADRIAN1) was born 1237, and died 5 June 1284. He married ELLEN. She was born Abt. 1241, and died Aft. 1316.
More About GEOFFREY DE LUCY: Still a minor in Jan 1256/7 - Came of age 1258

Child of GEOFFREY DE LUCY and ELLEN is:
29. i. GEOFFREY7 DE LUCY, b. August 1267, Chelmscot, Buckinghamshire, England; d. Bef. 20 January 1304/05."
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Source <The history and antiquities of the county of Buckingham, Volume 3> Par George Lipscomb:
"... Geoffrey de Lucy held Chelmscote Manor, as well as Cublington, in the reign of Hen. III. ; but it does not occur in the Inquisitions taken after his death, in 1252, nor until the Escheat after the decease of his son, about 1283. Dugdale states, that Geoffrey de Lucy, who, in 1207, obtained license to marry Juliana, widow of Peter de Stokes, was Governor of Berkhampstead Castle in 1223, and of Porchester in 1236; and that his son, Geoffrey, died in or before 12 Edw. I. Brydges says, that Geoffrey de Lucy died 1 Edw. I. leaving his son at the age of eighteen; that Elena, his widow, had dower, of which the Sheriff of Northamptonshire was commanded to give her the possession in the 12th of that reign; and remarks, that the date of the Escheat, being in the twelfth year, might not have been taken until long after his death, and describes his son Geoffrey, as then eighteen ; observing, that this coincides with the assignment of dower to Elena, his relict, who was living in 9 Edw. II.6 Another account mentions the death of Geoffrey de Lucy in 1252, and of his son Geoffrey, called Lord Lucy, in 1273, but omits the name of his wife, and introduces another Geoffrey, said to have been eighteen years of age in 1 Edw. I. and to have died in 1284, annexing the name of Elena (but with a query ?) as his wife, instead of the wife of the former Geoffrey, his father; and adds another Geoffrey , as their son, who is described of seventeen years of age at the death of his father, (who, according to that account, could not have been more than thirty years old !) and gives the name of Desiderata as widow of the last Geoffrey de Lucy, in 30 Edw. I. Without presuming to suppose any mistake in Desiderata, as an epithet, instead of a christian name, and applied to this Elena, instead of denoting another lady, the remark may be allowed, that, as Geoffrey de Lucy, in 1332, obtained a grant of free warren in Chelmscote, and Fulbroke in Cublington,0 this person could not have been the same who was the son of Elena, because he must have been in his early minority, about eleven years of age, at that time; but might have been her husband, if he survived until the 12th of that reign. By the omission of the descent, which seems to have been added to the Family-Pedigree in the fourth Geoffrey, these discrepancies might be reconciled; for Elena, widow of Geoffrey de Lucy, Lady of Slapton, Co. Northampton, 9 Edw. II. held " Chelmendescote" as part of her dower; and although the time of her death seems to be unknown, Geoffrey, her son, was in possession of this Manor before 1343: for this Geoffrey, with Catharine his wife, obtained a license from Thomas Beke, Bishop of Lincoln, dated in that year, empowering them to make an Oratory in their Mansion at Chelmscote: the said Geoffrey died seised in 1364. ..."


Ellen married Geoffrey III DE LUCY [2856] [MRIN: 1632], son of Geoffrey II DE LUCY [2858] and Nichole DE CANTILUPE [2859]. (Geoffrey III DE LUCY [2856] was born in 1237 in , , England and died on 5 Jun 1284 in , , England.)




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